Comments on: Agile 2008 – ideas and inspiration http://blog.xebia.com/2008/08/27/agile-2008-ideas-and-inspiration/ Tue, 09 Mar 2010 17:30:15 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Machiel's Blog » An Agile pitfall – starting a project too soon http://blog.xebia.com/2008/08/27/agile-2008-ideas-and-inspiration/comment-page-1/#comment-92357 Machiel's Blog » An Agile pitfall – starting a project too soon Thu, 27 Aug 2009 12:28:49 +0000 http://blog.xebia.com/?p=694#comment-92357 [...] pre-project phase is a hot topic that I’ve blogged about before under the header ‘Iteration -1″. This post is on the ‘pre-iteration-1′ [...] [...] pre-project phase is a hot topic that I’ve blogged about before under the header ‘Iteration -1″. This post is on the ‘pre-iteration-1′ [...]

]]> By: PM Hut http://blog.xebia.com/2008/08/27/agile-2008-ideas-and-inspiration/comment-page-1/#comment-76424 PM Hut Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:12:12 +0000 http://blog.xebia.com/?p=694#comment-76424 This is the first time I read about Agile+, I guess the term didn't really gain steam yet. This is the first time I read about Agile+, I guess the term didn’t really gain steam yet.

]]> By: Lars Vonk http://blog.xebia.com/2008/08/27/agile-2008-ideas-and-inspiration/comment-page-1/#comment-51680 Lars Vonk Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:29:48 +0000 http://blog.xebia.com/?p=694#comment-51680 Hi Machiel, Interesting post. I am very curious how to achieve the "abandonment of iterations and planning sessions". Do you have more info on this? Or is it on the session link you posted? I don't really like the iteration-1 suggestion though. I agree with you that in most of the cases it is not possible to produce potentially shippable software after 2 releases (especially with new development). But to say: "a lot more attention will be spent on conscious preparation and applying requirements engineering, interaction design and architecting before the coding phase" and "Hopefully we'll get over it and give it a proper name and give it a proper place in software development." goes to far. Please don't get over it, and ít already has a name: BDUF. I am not saying you can't design or think upfront at all (that would just be stupid) but please do not think to long upfront, one iteration max is a good rule of thumb IMHO. Do some design and build it, the same iteration or the next. Hi Machiel, Interesting post.
I am very curious how to achieve the “abandonment of iterations and planning sessions”. Do you have more info on this? Or is it on the session link you posted?

I don’t really like the iteration-1 suggestion though. I agree with you that in most of the cases it is not possible to produce potentially shippable software after 2 releases (especially with new development). But to say: “a lot more attention will be spent on conscious preparation and applying requirements engineering, interaction design and architecting before the coding phase” and “Hopefully we’ll get over it and give it a proper name and give it a proper place in software development.” goes to far.
Please don’t get over it, and ít already has a name: BDUF.
I am not saying you can’t design or think upfront at all (that would just be stupid) but please do not think to long upfront, one iteration max is a good rule of thumb IMHO. Do some design and build it, the same iteration or the next.

]]> By: mary http://blog.xebia.com/2008/08/27/agile-2008-ideas-and-inspiration/comment-page-1/#comment-51597 mary Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:56:12 +0000 http://blog.xebia.com/?p=694#comment-51597 Wow, great post, Machiel! Good to read that you enjoyed yourself and was inspired by the experts and kindred spirits you met. “Agile+” and “Iteration minus 1” don’t sound as well as “conscious development”. But conscious development just refers to development. We need more, I think. We need our wisest people: great listeners, leaders, architects & master developers to work together. This can lead to high level architecture and a minimum – but crucial- set of functional - and non functional requirements. Perhaps even to a vision. But to get there, you need a process, some documentation (sorry) real conformance and a lot of discipline. And yes, we do need this upfront….:P Perhaps we will discuss this more in-depth, later. Mary Wow, great post, Machiel!
Good to read that you enjoyed yourself and was inspired by the experts and kindred spirits you met.
“Agile+” and “Iteration minus 1” don’t sound as well as “conscious development”. But conscious development just refers to development. We need more, I think.
We need our wisest people: great listeners, leaders, architects & master developers to work together.
This can lead to high level architecture and a minimum – but crucial- set of functional – and non functional requirements. Perhaps even to a vision. But to get there, you need a process, some documentation (sorry) real conformance and a lot of discipline. And yes, we do need this upfront….:P
Perhaps we will discuss this more in-depth, later.
Mary

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