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		<title>By: Software Release != Agile? &#124; Think about&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://blog.xebia.com/2008/05/22/scrum-the-mythical-product-owner-role/comment-page-1/#comment-94236</link>
		<dc:creator>Software Release != Agile? &#124; Think about&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 23:18:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and is the one who relays exter­nal goals (and pri­or­i­ties) to the team. But, alas, good prod­uct own­ers are hard to find — and release man­age­ment is not nec­es­sar­ily one of their strengts. Inter-team [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and is the one who relays exter­nal goals (and pri­or­i­ties) to the team. But, alas, good prod­uct own­ers are hard to find — and release man­age­ment is not nec­es­sar­ily one of their strengts. Inter-team [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Software Release != Agile? &#171; Think about&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://blog.xebia.com/2008/05/22/scrum-the-mythical-product-owner-role/comment-page-1/#comment-94225</link>
		<dc:creator>Software Release != Agile? &#171; Think about&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 13:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the stakeholders, and is the one who relays external goals (and priorities) to the team. But, alas, good product owners are hard to find &#8211; and release management is not necessarily one of their strengts. Inter-team management is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the stakeholders, and is the one who relays external goals (and priorities) to the team. But, alas, good product owners are hard to find &#8211; and release management is not necessarily one of their strengts. Inter-team management is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Leanway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Do you have the wrong product owner?</title>
		<link>http://blog.xebia.com/2008/05/22/scrum-the-mythical-product-owner-role/comment-page-1/#comment-93769</link>
		<dc:creator>Leanway &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Do you have the wrong product owner?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:05:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post has some interesting thoughts on the product owner [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Niklas Bjørnerstedt</title>
		<link>http://blog.xebia.com/2008/05/22/scrum-the-mythical-product-owner-role/comment-page-1/#comment-93762</link>
		<dc:creator>Niklas Bjørnerstedt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 16:08:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting post. I think one possible solution is to hire the product owner (but not from the same company as the team). I have worked in this way on a number of projects and it works surprisingly well. Many people instinctively object to hiring the product owner but I wonder if they would change their mind if they tried it. I have posted some thoughts on the product owner role here: http://www.leanway.no/?p=324</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting post. I think one possible solution is to hire the product owner (but not from the same company as the team). I have worked in this way on a number of projects and it works surprisingly well. Many people instinctively object to hiring the product owner but I wonder if they would change their mind if they tried it. I have posted some thoughts on the product owner role here: <a href="http://www.leanway.no/?p=324" rel="nofollow">http://www.leanway.no/?p=324</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rich Mironov</title>
		<link>http://blog.xebia.com/2008/05/22/scrum-the-mythical-product-owner-role/comment-page-1/#comment-55088</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Mironov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 05:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A really good breakdown of PO issues and challenges.  As long-time product managers and among the limited set of practicing Agile product managers, we strongly advocate that revenue products (i.e. shipping for money to customers) need a product manager who owns the broad product/market problem...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A really good breakdown of PO issues and challenges.  As long-time product managers and among the limited set of practicing Agile product managers, we strongly advocate that revenue products (i.e. shipping for money to customers) need a product manager who owns the broad product/market problem&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk Thoughts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-08-25</title>
		<link>http://blog.xebia.com/2008/05/22/scrum-the-mythical-product-owner-role/comment-page-1/#comment-51154</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirk Thoughts &#187; Blog Archive &#187; links for 2008-08-25</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Scrum The Mythical Product Owner role &#124; Xebia Blog Explains how he has observed the PO done, and concludes by how it should be done, though there are few who are truly great Product Owners (tags: scrum productowner) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Scrum The Mythical Product Owner role | Xebia Blog Explains how he has observed the PO done, and concludes by how it should be done, though there are few who are truly great Product Owners (tags: scrum productowner) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Erwin van der Koogh</title>
		<link>http://blog.xebia.com/2008/05/22/scrum-the-mythical-product-owner-role/comment-page-1/#comment-50651</link>
		<dc:creator>Erwin van der Koogh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is an interesting question Max. But I think going through the PO is still the way to go. I disagree that the PO is responsible for features and requirements. In my opinion the PO is responsible for creating business value and getting a Return On Investment.
If you want to undertake for example a major refactoring it should give you a good return on investment and that&#039;s what the PO should be focused on.

So PO needs to shift focus to focus on return on investment and creating business value. And you should prove that your technical idea actually delivers value. Either in decreased support cost, more productivity down the line etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is an interesting question Max. But I think going through the PO is still the way to go. I disagree that the PO is responsible for features and requirements. In my opinion the PO is responsible for creating business value and getting a Return On Investment.<br />
If you want to undertake for example a major refactoring it should give you a good return on investment and that&#8217;s what the PO should be focused on.</p>
<p>So PO needs to shift focus to focus on return on investment and creating business value. And you should prove that your technical idea actually delivers value. Either in decreased support cost, more productivity down the line etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, 
I have a question regarding the role of a product owner and whether he can intervene and control the R&amp;D development practices. 

For example I have examples where I had problems to convince the PO that  switching to subversion from cvs was a good choice, or that choosing a specific automated web framework was the way to go than the other semi-automatic inefficient testing framework the company was using so far. 

However I believe that these are R&amp;D matters and since the company decided to adopt scrum it should be up to the team to decide the specific tools to use and follow development practices that are compliant to agile process. 
From my view point the PO should be worried about the features and requirements and the state of the product in terms of customer and thus market satisfaction.

Have I misunderstood something in the product owner role and his responsibilities or he can really intervene to R&amp;D and have the final say to whether stuff like test driven development , continuous integration etc should or should not be followed by the team?

Thanks, 
Max</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
I have a question regarding the role of a product owner and whether he can intervene and control the R&amp;D development practices. </p>
<p>For example I have examples where I had problems to convince the PO that  switching to subversion from cvs was a good choice, or that choosing a specific automated web framework was the way to go than the other semi-automatic inefficient testing framework the company was using so far. </p>
<p>However I believe that these are R&amp;D matters and since the company decided to adopt scrum it should be up to the team to decide the specific tools to use and follow development practices that are compliant to agile process.<br />
From my view point the PO should be worried about the features and requirements and the state of the product in terms of customer and thus market satisfaction.</p>
<p>Have I misunderstood something in the product owner role and his responsibilities or he can really intervene to R&amp;D and have the final say to whether stuff like test driven development , continuous integration etc should or should not be followed by the team?</p>
<p>Thanks,<br />
Max</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas Ebbert-Karroum &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Scrum Reveils When Things Go Wrong: The Mythical Product Owner</title>
		<link>http://blog.xebia.com/2008/05/22/scrum-the-mythical-product-owner-role/comment-page-1/#comment-45977</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas Ebbert-Karroum &#187; Blog Archive &#187; How Scrum Reveils When Things Go Wrong: The Mythical Product Owner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 12:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Xebia blogs about how the Product Owner role should be filled out to get the most out of Scrum (Scrum The Mythical Product Owner role &#124; Xebia Blog), and contrasts that with the reality that is met in most projects, where the product owner is a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Roman Pichler</title>
		<link>http://blog.xebia.com/2008/05/22/scrum-the-mythical-product-owner-role/comment-page-1/#comment-44410</link>
		<dc:creator>Roman Pichler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 14:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice blog entry. Even though the Product Owner&#039;s responsibilities are quite diverse, I think we have a common understanding in the Scrum community about the responsibilities of the role. Ken Schwaber has written about the Product Owner role in his book &quot;Agile Project Management with Scrum&quot;. I also cover the role in a fair amount of detail in my book &quot;Scrum - Agiles Projektmanagement erfolgreich einsetzen&quot;. No doubt, applying the role is challenging. Here are a number of reasons why:

The first one is that the Product Owner role is a hybrid that requires a breadth of qualifications and knowledge but most organizations tend to encourage specialization of their employees. This situation is worsened by the fact that traditional development processes separate the definition of requirements from their implementation. Customer, product managers and marketers are hence not used to collaborating with development teams. Take a look at standard product management and marketing books: It is shocking how little these books talk about the actual creation of products and the necessary collaboration.

Secondly, Scrum projects differ a lot. A new product development Scrum project that delivers a commercial product is different to an in-hose IT project that provides a maintenance release or product update. Who is the right Product Owner hence depends on the nature and importance of the project. This will also determine the Product Owner’s actual day-to-ay work, e.g., if and how much the PO has to align with stakeholders such as marketing, sales and service to prepare market introduction.

The Product Owner does play a key part in Scrum. Scrum would not be Scrum without the Product Owner role filled properly. I know that is a challenge but nobody said it would be easy. Heads up: Toyota has employed their version of a Product Owner role, called the Chief Engineer, successfully for half a decade. And the Chief Engineer’s responsibilities are even greater than the Scrum Product Owner’s.

Roman Pichler</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice blog entry. Even though the Product Owner&#8217;s responsibilities are quite diverse, I think we have a common understanding in the Scrum community about the responsibilities of the role. Ken Schwaber has written about the Product Owner role in his book &#8220;Agile Project Management with Scrum&#8221;. I also cover the role in a fair amount of detail in my book &#8220;Scrum &#8211; Agiles Projektmanagement erfolgreich einsetzen&#8221;. No doubt, applying the role is challenging. Here are a number of reasons why:</p>
<p>The first one is that the Product Owner role is a hybrid that requires a breadth of qualifications and knowledge but most organizations tend to encourage specialization of their employees. This situation is worsened by the fact that traditional development processes separate the definition of requirements from their implementation. Customer, product managers and marketers are hence not used to collaborating with development teams. Take a look at standard product management and marketing books: It is shocking how little these books talk about the actual creation of products and the necessary collaboration.</p>
<p>Secondly, Scrum projects differ a lot. A new product development Scrum project that delivers a commercial product is different to an in-hose IT project that provides a maintenance release or product update. Who is the right Product Owner hence depends on the nature and importance of the project. This will also determine the Product Owner’s actual day-to-ay work, e.g., if and how much the PO has to align with stakeholders such as marketing, sales and service to prepare market introduction.</p>
<p>The Product Owner does play a key part in Scrum. Scrum would not be Scrum without the Product Owner role filled properly. I know that is a challenge but nobody said it would be easy. Heads up: Toyota has employed their version of a Product Owner role, called the Chief Engineer, successfully for half a decade. And the Chief Engineer’s responsibilities are even greater than the Scrum Product Owner’s.</p>
<p>Roman Pichler</p>
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